I think this might be just to piss off trekkies. You know, the series is supposed to take place in space, but still the ships have an upside and a downside.
All right, they seem to have artificial gravity pointing into the "bottom" of the ship, but how come every time they meet some other ship in the space they have the upsides pointing to the same direction...
It does indeed appear in Star Trek VI. It was piloted by now-Captain Sulu (all irony noted by those who managed to enjoy Star Trek III's stealing-a-spaceship scene).
The starship is also upside down with respect to the planet in the background. I don't think I have ever seen a ST Starship in orbit with the warp engines and saucer section tilted towards the planet. The starship in orbit is either parallel to the planet's axis or the main hull points to the planet and the warp engines tilt away from the planet. This looks completely wrong at many levels.
I hate to out-nerd you, but this ship actually appeared in Star Trek Generations and was not commanded by Sulu. You're thinking of the Excellsior, this is the Enterprise-B.
You remind me of one of the saddest terminations I had to do. I once took over a group and one of the draftsman had retinitis pigmentosa (severe hereditary tunnel vision). He faked it for months as his eyesight got worse and worse. When I took over I couldn't believe how bad his work was, so I actually stood behind him one day at the computer pointing to errors. He could see them as long as you pointed to them. I wondered if it was drugs or what was going on. apparently he had even memorized the office layout and his wife had to drive him to work. A couple days later while I was consulting with HR he went to Mexico for some experimental treatment and never returned.
@ rattbahlz The USS Enterprise NCC 1701-B is an Excelsior Class vessel, the second refit variant with the updated engineering section, warp nacelles, deflector dish and added impulse drives on the saucer section for better maneuverability while separated as well as a new bridge module to be exact, that was commissioned in 2293. Almost a decade after the prototype NX-2000 had its maiden voyage in Star Trek III.
The Enterprise B under the command of Captain Hikaru Sulu was on its way home from a three year mission, to catalog gaseous planetary anomalies in the Beta Quadrant, when it was hit by the shock wave from the explosion of the Klingon moon Praxis at the beginning of Star Trek VI.
had to create a new comment just for that, I hardly ever get real words!!
My comments may sound anti-trekkie, never seen any of the movies, but can not wait until the new one comes out... it looks kick ass... depsite that though, I will try my hardess to not remember any of the ships specific details.
If I remember right, the original model was meant to be used in the orientation shown here, with the saucer and nacelles down and the body up. However, somebody thought it looked better the other way around, and so it was used "upside down" in pilot and from then on. This DVD just has it back in the original orientation!
Come on guys! That's not a mistake! It's the space, the final frontier. There's no up/down in the space. I mean, who needs a disc properly printed anyways when you have the wonders of spaaaaace?
Spock could never be wrong. That would be illogical.
@AL7AIR nope...Sulu never commanded the Enterprise B: From Memory Alpha...and also from actually watching the movie:
By 2290, the Excelsior (NCC-2000) was under the command of the now-Captain Hikaru Sulu. His first assignment was a three-year mission, cataloging gaseous planetary anomalies in the Beta Quadrant. (Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country)
According to a line cut from the script, the crew cataloged "fifty-four planets – and their gaseous atmospheric anomalies." In 2293, as the Excelsior was returning to Federation space following the successful conclusion of its mission, it was struck by a powerful subspace shock wave caused by the destruction of the Klingon moon, Praxis. Upon discovering the cause of the disaster, Sulu immediately contacted the Klingon High Command to offer his ship's assistance. The Klingons, however, turned the offer down, requesting that Sulu obey treaty stipulations and remain outside the Neutral Zone. Thereafter, Sulu reported the incident to Starfleet Command. (Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country)
Only the disc label is upside down. The ship is correct. Look to the left of the ship and you can see the bottom of the space dock frame. All open frame space docks shown in Trek had their station and superstructure backbone above the starship with the bottom sides ending below and no bottom structure.
The orientation of the space dock itself is right as well. In Trek because of their nearly subconscious allegiance to tradition of observing an up and a down, when a scene looks like this it is meant to convey that the ship or station is in orbit over the southern hemisphere.
OK, that's all good and well. But this isn't a discussion of space physics. It's a discussion of Photoshop usage. The DVD in question is a screen grab from the film. And it's upside down. Now you can talk all you want about whether the director of the film should have chosen to show up the way he did, but he did. And to put that upside down is a Photoshop error.
Also, sorry al7air. You're wrong. This is the Enterprise-B from VII.
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Here's the real twist. All lenses invert images. Therefore, all photos taken are actually taken upside down. When you hold the photo in your hands, you turn the image right-side-up. Now the real nutty part is, your eyes use lenses, and also see the entire world upside down. Your brain automatically reverses the image for you! So an image that is physically upside down, when viewed by your eye's lenses, is turned right-side-up, but your brain turns it upside down again!
@Blissful Builder: Actually ships have appeared on the "bottom" of a planet, i.e. with their nacelles facing towards the planet, many times, especially in TNG.
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It's the wrong flippin' film, too!
I don't understand
So the ship is the right way up on the screen here... whoever did the artwork has either never seen Star Trek or has bad eyesight.
you kinda have to be a trekkie, but the picture is upside down compared to the text. idiots to send it out like that...
You don't get it, it's because it's a special collectors edition...
I understand it's upside-down.
I just fail to care.
In space, at zero gravity, there is no "up" or "down"
In Space there is no up or down!
There is no spoon...
I think this might be just to piss off trekkies. You know, the series is supposed to take place in space, but still the ships have an upside and a downside.
All right, they seem to have artificial gravity pointing into the "bottom" of the ship, but how come every time they meet some other ship in the space they have the upsides pointing to the same direction...
It's the _Australian_ Special Edition, see...
Maybe if you get the disc spinning fast enough in the DVD player, then it looks right.
There...are...FOUR...lights!!
mycintosh said... "In Space there is no up or down!"
... until someone comes along and writes text over it.
The starship in the picture isn't even in "Star Trek VI."
It does indeed appear in Star Trek VI. It was piloted by now-Captain Sulu (all irony noted by those who managed to enjoy Star Trek III's stealing-a-spaceship scene).
Oh god, I just revealed my Trekiness.
The starship is also upside down with respect to the planet in the background. I don't think I have ever seen a ST Starship in orbit with the warp engines and saucer section tilted towards the planet. The starship in orbit is either parallel to the planet's axis or the main hull points to the planet and the warp engines tilt away from the planet. This looks completely wrong at many levels.
In space, no can hear you tutting.
soundeziner,
I hate to out-nerd you, but this ship actually appeared in Star Trek Generations and was not commanded by Sulu. You're thinking of the Excellsior, this is the Enterprise-B.
@ Lee
You remind me of one of the saddest terminations I had to do. I once took over a group and one of the draftsman had retinitis pigmentosa (severe hereditary tunnel vision). He faked it for months as his eyesight got worse and worse. When I took over I couldn't believe how bad his work was, so I actually stood behind him one day at the computer pointing to errors. He could see them as long as you pointed to them. I wondered if it was drugs or what was going on. apparently he had even memorized the office layout and his wife had to drive him to work. A couple days later while I was consulting with HR he went to Mexico for some experimental treatment and never returned.
Father forgive us for what me must do.
How can someone send something out with an error like the ship upsidedown? omgwtfbbq :|
@ rattbahlz
The USS Enterprise NCC 1701-B is an Excelsior Class vessel, the second refit variant with the updated engineering section, warp nacelles, deflector dish and added impulse drives on the saucer section for better maneuverability while separated as well as a new bridge module to be exact, that was commissioned in 2293. Almost a decade after the prototype NX-2000 had its maiden voyage in Star Trek III.
The Enterprise B under the command of Captain Hikaru Sulu was on its way home from a three year mission, to catalog gaseous planetary anomalies in the Beta Quadrant, when it was hit by the shock wave from the explosion of the Klingon moon Praxis at the beginning of Star Trek VI.
... all space opera nerdyness aside... who else had to consciously tell themselves not to click on the link all about umbilical cords. I know i did.
Ahem.
NEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRDDDDDSSSSS!
I now return to my comic books.
@Brent Ross you sumed it up nicely - with no reference to sulu or 3 year missions, well done!
@Blissful Builder and AL7AIR..
wow.... (O_O)
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had to create a new comment just for that, I hardly ever get real words!!
My comments may sound anti-trekkie, never seen any of the movies, but can not wait until the new one comes out... it looks kick ass... depsite that though, I will try my hardess to not remember any of the ships specific details.
We've come full circle!
If I remember right, the original model was meant to be used in the orientation shown here, with the saucer and nacelles down and the body up. However, somebody thought it looked better the other way around, and so it was used "upside down" in pilot and from then on. This DVD just has it back in the original orientation!
Come on guys! That's not a mistake! It's the space, the final frontier. There's no up/down in the space. I mean, who needs a disc properly printed anyways when you have the wonders of spaaaaace?
Spock could never be wrong. That would be illogical.
Nanoo, nanoo
@AL7AIR
nope...Sulu never commanded the Enterprise B: From Memory Alpha...and also from actually watching the movie:
By 2290, the Excelsior (NCC-2000) was under the command of the now-Captain Hikaru Sulu. His first assignment was a three-year mission, cataloging gaseous planetary anomalies in the Beta Quadrant. (Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country)
According to a line cut from the script, the crew cataloged "fifty-four planets – and their gaseous atmospheric anomalies."
In 2293, as the Excelsior was returning to Federation space following the successful conclusion of its mission, it was struck by a powerful subspace shock wave caused by the destruction of the Klingon moon, Praxis. Upon discovering the cause of the disaster, Sulu immediately contacted the Klingon High Command to offer his ship's assistance. The Klingons, however, turned the offer down, requesting that Sulu obey treaty stipulations and remain outside the Neutral Zone. Thereafter, Sulu reported the incident to Starfleet Command. (Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country)
So the ship is the right way up on the screen here... whoever did the artwork has either never seen Star Trek or has bad eyesight.
The Space Shuttle typically orbits with it's top towards Earth. Maybe they're being technically correct.
That's the extra disc with the special features. Maybe they're just cleverly illustrating the presence of a blooper reel.
it is not the first Enterprise upside down. http://www.starshipdatalink.net/art/1701.html
search for the sentence containing "TV Guide"
Only the disc label is upside down. The ship is correct. Look to the left of the ship and you can see the bottom of the space dock frame. All open frame space docks shown in Trek had their station and superstructure backbone above the starship with the bottom sides ending below and no bottom structure.
The orientation of the space dock itself is right as well. In Trek because of their nearly subconscious allegiance to tradition of observing an up and a down, when a scene looks like this it is meant to convey that the ship or station is in orbit over the southern hemisphere.
OK, that's all good and well. But this isn't a discussion of space physics. It's a discussion of Photoshop usage. The DVD in question is a screen grab from the film. And it's upside down. Now you can talk all you want about whether the director of the film should have chosen to show up the way he did, but he did. And to put that upside down is a Photoshop error.
Also, sorry al7air. You're wrong. This is the Enterprise-B from VII.
Lol @ Garett.
Well, it should read "not rotated" instead of "Not rated", thats the fault. So it's no photoshop disaster, it's a typing disaster.
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omg... the planet... it's ON THE WRONG SIDE!!!
Maybe it's spinning upside down to dodge a bullet that has been shot out of Darth Vader's flying saucer?
Here's the real twist. All lenses invert images. Therefore, all photos taken are actually taken upside down. When you hold the photo in your hands, you turn the image right-side-up. Now the real nutty part is, your eyes use lenses, and also see the entire world upside down. Your brain automatically reverses the image for you! So an image that is physically upside down, when viewed by your eye's lenses, is turned right-side-up, but your brain turns it upside down again!
I don't see the problem here, don't you guys remember this part? Maybe it was only in the collector's edition.
Kirk: Started up on a 6, when he pulled from the nebula, and then I moved in above him.
Spock: Well, if you were directly above him, how could you see him?
Kirk: Because I was inverted.
The enemies gate is down...
@Jonah
Brilliant reference.
@Albino_Salamander:"Maybe it's spinning upside down..."
haha.. It's doing a barrel roll!
RAD!
@Blissful Builder: Actually ships have appeared on the "bottom" of a planet, i.e. with their nacelles facing towards the planet, many times, especially in TNG.
It's space, for God's sake... There is no such thing as up or down! ^^
@Jonah Thomas
Ender was always right ;)
I really fail to care. Like any of it is real anyway.
Okay, that's a PsD, but it's in space. It could be upside-down if wanted to...if there were an upside-down.
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