So it's inconceivable that the pinky is folded out of sight and the nipples are just out of sight? Looks to me like a normal picture of a normal baby. If the nipples were visible then there might be a problem.
Steve, regardless of the pinky, the nipples on a baby should be higher than its elbows - they should be visible in this picture. Aside from that, the head is a totally different color than the body, as well as being far too large for that body, even for a baby
Steve, all the pictures of real babies that I can find put the nipples well above a line drawn between the elbows. The nipples are not "just" out of sight, they are gone!
The elbow is beyond the edge of the lettuce leaf, so I'm not sure what your point is. The head was probably pasted over the body for expediency but I've certainly seen worse.
I think that the leaf is just barely obscuring the nipples. If the head was pasted on too high that might make the collar look a bit long. I'd be interested in hearing more opinions but I don't see anything in the realm of a disaster here.
Is it an alarm to let you know when your semi-deformed offspring are off raiding the lettuce patch again?
Or is it the often overlooked parental essential: the Tigex "Something's Not Quite Right" Alarm, which triggers when your child wakes up short a nipple or two, or having misplaced a digit somewhere between slumberland and consciousness?
I'm leaning towards some sort of garden alarm, which could also be used to combat rabbits.
I'd understand removing the nipples if it was for US consumption. By all 'normal' standards though I think they should be there, somewhere. It's the (baby's) right arm that is so out of whack where the cabbage leaf meets and I think cuts off the little finger that is so messy. And what does all the cabbage have to do with 'color video monitoring'? Who beds their kid down in cabbage?
Some of you obviously have never seen a baby before... just type "baby sitting up" in google image search and see how freakishly missing this one's nipples really are.
Plus, they seem to have amputated much of his left shoulder, comparing the fold in it to the one on his right...
...what I'd like to know is where the translation took place. It's horrifically bad French!!
Translation starting from the upper-right corner:
Tigex: Life baby colour. [Or Life colour baby.]
Without Tigex, mommy will be in cabbage. Baby alarm colour video.
Ummm...yeah, it's bad. Unless it's a play on words on a phrase that I've never heard before... And yes, the baby's nipples are completely missing, not even rolled up in a fold. And the cabbage leaf on top of it is providing more modesty to the child...
Really, Ron? Most of the pictures I see confirm what I'm saying. Naturally, pictures that show the babies leaning backward have the nipples higher. And for those who didn't know babies don't all look exactly the same.
Look at this picture: http://www.braillebookstore.com/jpeg/gc-baby-sitting-up.jpg
Steve. Seriously. In the picture YOU link to, the nipples are (wait for it) ABOVE THE ELBOWS!! Thanks for proving our point. I'm really sorry you think less-than-mediocre is ok, but there are plenty of things badly wrong with this pic, retouching-wise. Again, the head is a totally different color, just for a start.
Arcane1, as frequently as the US shows naked baby asses on tv, I doubt there is any issue with baby nipples.
Since the elbow goes down below the edge of the leaf, I don't know what you're going on about with that. Just open both pictures in Photoshop and superimpose. That's what I did and guess what? I'm right and you're wrong. But believe whatever reality you choose to, I'm moving on.
Okay, so the head is the wrong color & size and the arm/cabbage line on the left of the pic is awful. And contrary to what Steve has said, the pinky has been amputated (I can't contort my hand so that I CAN'T see my pinky with it in that position) and the nipples have been removed (again contrary to Steve has said, babies DO have nipples (they develop before the gender is determined - during pregnancy- thus why men have nipples) and they are in roughly the same position they would be on an adult male, since they do not migrate into the proper position as part of the puberty process.
WV: etiste as in this photoshopper is not an etiste.
You seem to be taking an unusually strong stand on this one. Did you have saggy tits as a baby? HAHAHAHAHAHA
Just kidding. Actually, I think you might be right on this one. I didn't break out Photoshop to check, but I do have seven kids. If the baby is leaning forward, it is conceivable that the nipples might be hidden.
I have a one year old, a head of lettuce, and a D40. I'll report my findings.
Amber, if you think babies have the same basic proportions as young adults you are totally out of your mind. Babies' skin is very much looser than young adults. And you can see the baby's pinky knuckle if you look close. It's finger is clearly folded in while the others are wrapped around the thumb, therefore sticking out. I agree that the head looks too big, though.
Nothing wrong with this image! You guys don't seem to get that this toddler has cup 75C, and the titties aren't really firm but droopy, which makes the nipples hang just out of view.
The only issue with the image is poor composition. When you stare at it for awhile you realize it's okay, but it still has that keen sense of 'something is awry' about it.
There is nothing disastrous here. There isn't even any major photoshop work on the baby. There could always be minor tweaks that I just can't see, but the missing finger and nipples are a matter of expecting to see something that you really would not see rather than something that has been removed by poor editing.
By the third comment here, Steve explained the supposedly missing finger. The response was to claim that even if the finger missing was a matter of perspective, the nipples should show. Steve linked to a picture which perfectly demonstrates that the nipples would not show. The response was a bizarre set of claims about how the relative position of the elbows show the image here is wrong or that babies look exactly like shrunken adults.
If you still believe either of these is a photoshop error, first hold your thumb inside your fist and observe how thoroughly this obscures the pinky finger when viewed at the angle in this pic. Once you've done that, compare the baby in the link to the one in the picture. Resize the baby from the link until the shoulder width is the same or similar to the picture here, then line up the shoulders. The linked baby has its nipples at almost exactly the top of the leaf.
I can understand occasionally posting a picture where the supposed disaster is just odd composition. I cannot understand doing this twice in three days or adamantly defending the claim of poor photoshopping when the image area in question is clearly real. I also believe the image should be retagged with a retraction in such cases.
I think that no company today actually pay a real pro for a well done job.
Just pick a random guy with photoshop and let him do something. Pizza guy will be ok, he makes those nice posters for his punk band. And have a goatee. He must be creative.
While 'Marcus' proposes some valid excuses i do however believe his assessment to be flawed. shall we take a vote? or maybe with every alleged 'PSD' there should be an accompanying vote tally on wether it is or isn't?
There is a difference between the opinion of something simply being bad artwork, and it being a fully fledged 'disaster' or horrific amateur mistake.
As a side note i wonder how many comments here are from designers (who's work is regularly published) and how many are from students on the fly-by?
The baby's nipples aren't missing... it just was born with Double D breasts, and lives on a high-gravity planet where lettuce-limbed children are the norm.
The nipples probably WERE removed. Nipples beget complaint calls. I work in print, and we frequently ask our photoshop guys to "get out the nipple gun" and blast away such "offensive" things.
It's sad, I admit, but its the only pseudo-disaster I see here. The folks complaining about the head color and body color are just trying to find SOMETHING to complain about.
WV: consif - Trying to convince Thor's wife there's a comping error where none exists.
I think the intent of the ad is to be a knockoff of Anne Geddes baby photos. Of course, they've failed that on so many levels here. But, it didn't stop them from printing it. Whatever that image specifically has to do with a baby monitoring system, not sure. So, the ad image + text tie-in additionally fails on many conceptual levels as well. But, that's all separate from the obviousness of it being an obvious photoshopped disaster.
For the record, I did not say babies have the same basic proportions as adults or that they were shrunken adults. Also, I am not out of my mind, totally or otherwise. I just meant the nipples were not going to be on their sides or down at their waist. And yes, you did come off as a surly dickhead. Apology accepted. =)
Why is everybody talking about lettuce? Can't you see those are cabbage leaves? And this ad, compared to what we see regularly on PSD, is a masterpiece of good Photoshop
I have nothing to do with the publishing industry or art. I'm just an internet wanderer who thinks it's funny to look at photoshop disasters. Also, I find this site illuminating as to how much pictures are doctored. As a not-very-svelte woman, I'm amused to see that even gorgeous women have their pictures prettied-up.
But about this baby... at first glance, I found it unsettling and something wrong. After starting at it a bit, I couldn't figure out what was wrong and thought I was being oversensitive. Maybe it was the mouth, which is somehow not the right shape. And the eyes, which look like they've been brightened too much and had the natural laugh lines removed or smoothed out.
So I read the comments to see what other people thought. Then I went back and looked at the picture. Yeah, head too big and wrong color (I have two kids). Yeah, nipples gone. Yeah, baby's left shoulder cropped for unknown reason. Can't really tell about the right fist, as babies can do weird things with their hands until 2 or 3 years old. I think it has something to do with cartilege not finished forming.
Is it a photoshop disaster? What exactly constitutes a photoshop disaster? Certainly there are problems with the picture that even untrained me is unsettled by. If I were leafing through some women's mag in a waiting room and saw that ad, I'd grimace and leaf on by it. Because my initial reaction to the picture was that something was wrong with it. The baby's face was a tiny bit too close to uncanny valley.
If you look at the inside edge of the baby's right arm it looks to me like that the child and that cabbage leaf were probably never in the same room at the same time. I think the pinkie and nipples are both just out of view.
Ok. This one I can address because I speak French.
La vie couleur bebe means the colorful life of babies, or "babies in living color.
Baby alarme video couleur means color video baby monitor.
And Sans Tigex, maman serait dans la choux, means literally, Without Tigex, mother would be in the cabbages. (future tense btw)
The French have a saying mon petit chou. That means my little cabbage. Plural for chou is choux. This phrase is a term of endearment for the French.
But a more accurate explanation would be that Without this color video baby monitor, mother would be blissfully unaware of her baby's needs. It's French ad-speak.
I think the pinky is tucked behind the rest of the hand. The nipples are just hanging down. (Young babies are fat and sometimes have enlarged breasts due to mother's hormones.) Also the French do not have nipple-phobia like we do, so they wouldn't paint them out on purpose.
The head looks like it's been pasted on. And babies can't raise their eyebrows and they don't smile like that either.
I think the only things wrong with the picture are the baby's missing left shoulder blade(Or are babys just like that?), and the jagged editing just above the babys right hand from the folded-in thumb - Follow the inside of the arm about 3.5cm's up - Looks like worms were eating the baby :( Or is that the top of the lettuce... (cabbage?) which would be rather odd in itself, since it clearly goes under the baby's arm...
ook.. now I gotta say something. why can't it be a real picture where they haven't done photoshop? babys don't have flat stomaches and chest, that's just to realise. It's hard to see on this picture, but can't it be that the baby leans forward? And if they have paste in a new head, it's maybe because they thought the body was good but the baby didn't smile, it's hard to photograph babies! I think that they haven't photoshopped much..
There's nothing wrong with the caption of this ad.
"Sans Tigex Maman serait dans les choux" means litteraly "Without Tigex Mum would be in the cabbages". This is a French idiom that means "Without Tigex Mum would be lost".
Moreover the baby was shot in cabbages because in French culture, boys are supposed to be born in cabbages while girls are supposed to be born in roses. This is what people tell their children when they're too young to understand sexual things.
They should have taken a male baby, then they would not have felt the need to photoshop the baby girl´s nipples because it could be confused with child pornographie...
Hell what´s the deal..next time i have to check my sauerkraut for chopped up baby parts
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The head is virtually a different race from the body...
I like the why-so-serious-ish smile.
So it's inconceivable that the pinky is folded out of sight and the nipples are just out of sight? Looks to me like a normal picture of a normal baby. If the nipples were visible then there might be a problem.
When I look at my fist at that angle I can't see my pinky. Guess I must be an alien. But not on this planet.
@Steve: And are your nipples tucked down on your belly?
Steve, regardless of the pinky, the nipples on a baby should be higher than its elbows - they should be visible in this picture. Aside from that, the head is a totally different color than the body, as well as being far too large for that body, even for a baby
Steve, all the pictures of real babies that I can find put the nipples well above a line drawn between the elbows. The nipples are not "just" out of sight, they are gone!
The elbow is beyond the edge of the lettuce leaf, so I'm not sure what your point is. The head was probably pasted over the body for expediency but I've certainly seen worse.
I think that the leaf is just barely obscuring the nipples. If the head was pasted on too high that might make the collar look a bit long. I'd be interested in hearing more opinions but I don't see anything in the realm of a disaster here.
I'm still puzzling over the intent of the ad.
Is it an alarm to let you know when your semi-deformed offspring are off raiding the lettuce patch again?
Or is it the often overlooked parental essential: the Tigex "Something's Not Quite Right" Alarm, which triggers when your child wakes up short a nipple or two, or having misplaced a digit somewhere between slumberland and consciousness?
I'm leaning towards some sort of garden alarm, which could also be used to combat rabbits.
People, people -- chin, neck, shadows. Sod the kid's nipples. They decapitated a baby to make this photograph! Isn't that enough
I'd understand removing the nipples if it was for US consumption. By all 'normal' standards though I think they should be there, somewhere. It's the (baby's) right arm that is so out of whack where the cabbage leaf meets and I think cuts off the little finger that is so messy.
And what does all the cabbage have to do with 'color video monitoring'? Who beds their kid down in cabbage?
Some of you obviously have never seen a baby before... just type "baby sitting up" in google image search and see how freakishly missing this one's nipples really are.
Plus, they seem to have amputated much of his left shoulder, comparing the fold in it to the one on his right...
...what I'd like to know is where the translation took place. It's horrifically bad French!!
Translation starting from the upper-right corner:
Tigex: Life baby colour. [Or Life colour baby.]
Without Tigex, mommy will be in cabbage. Baby alarm colour video.
Ummm...yeah, it's bad. Unless it's a play on words on a phrase that I've never heard before... And yes, the baby's nipples are completely missing, not even rolled up in a fold. And the cabbage leaf on top of it is providing more modesty to the child...
Really, Ron? Most of the pictures I see confirm what I'm saying. Naturally, pictures that show the babies leaning backward have the nipples higher. And for those who didn't know babies don't all look exactly the same.
Look at this picture:
http://www.braillebookstore.com/jpeg/gc-baby-sitting-up.jpg
Yep, in this case I'll have to go with my lying eyes.
"Who beds their kid down in cabbage?"
In some countries, it's the stork that brings the babies, in others you find 'em in the cabbage field.
Steve. Seriously. In the picture YOU link to, the nipples are (wait for it) ABOVE THE ELBOWS!! Thanks for proving our point. I'm really sorry you think less-than-mediocre is ok, but there are plenty of things badly wrong with this pic, retouching-wise. Again, the head is a totally different color, just for a start.
Arcane1, as frequently as the US shows naked baby asses on tv, I doubt there is any issue with baby nipples.
Since the elbow goes down below the edge of the leaf, I don't know what you're going on about with that. Just open both pictures in Photoshop and superimpose. That's what I did and guess what? I'm right and you're wrong. But believe whatever reality you choose to, I'm moving on.
@lghunter: "Without Tigex, mom would be in the cabbage!"
"In the cabbage" is an idom meaning basically, "in a fix."
I don't get "Life Baby Color" but the rest of it is fine.
Okay, so the head is the wrong color & size and the arm/cabbage line on the left of the pic is awful. And contrary to what Steve has said, the pinky has been amputated (I can't contort my hand so that I CAN'T see my pinky with it in that position) and the nipples have been removed (again contrary to Steve has said, babies DO have nipples (they develop before the gender is determined - during pregnancy- thus why men have nipples) and they are in roughly the same position they would be on an adult male, since they do not migrate into the proper position as part of the puberty process.
WV: etiste as in this photoshopper is not an etiste.
Hey Steve,
You seem to be taking an unusually strong stand on this one.
Did you have saggy tits as a baby?
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Just kidding.
Actually, I think you might be right on this one. I didn't break out Photoshop to check, but I do have seven kids.
If the baby is leaning forward, it is conceivable that the nipples might be hidden.
I have a one year old, a head of lettuce, and a D40. I'll report my findings.
I was a freaking baby Adonis!
Amber, if you think babies have the same basic proportions as young adults you are totally out of your mind. Babies' skin is very much looser than young adults. And you can see the baby's pinky knuckle if you look close. It's finger is clearly folded in while the others are wrapped around the thumb, therefore sticking out. I agree that the head looks too big, though.
for the record i clearly cannot see the pinky finger..
word ver: ofloaff... my wig went ofloaff down the tunnel. idfk.
@Steve: Poor baby. It's barely entered into this world, and already it's got sagging tits.
If I've come off as some sort of surly dickhead (or just a dweeb), I apologize. I'll try to tone it down hereafter.
Nothing wrong with this image! You guys don't seem to get that this toddler has cup 75C, and the titties aren't really firm but droopy, which makes the nipples hang just out of view.
And to add, because no one's done it yet:
My nipples can do that!
The only issue with the image is poor composition. When you stare at it for awhile you realize it's okay, but it still has that keen sense of 'something is awry' about it.
wv: dican
1: HULK-LIKE PUFFY RIGHT LOWER ARM
2: OBVIOUS HEAD REPLACEMENT
3: CLASSIC 'EURO' GRAPHIC STYLING
There is nothing disastrous here. There isn't even any major photoshop work on the baby. There could always be minor tweaks that I just can't see, but the missing finger and nipples are a matter of expecting to see something that you really would not see rather than something that has been removed by poor editing.
By the third comment here, Steve explained the supposedly missing finger. The response was to claim that even if the finger missing was a matter of perspective, the nipples should show. Steve linked to a picture which perfectly demonstrates that the nipples would not show. The response was a bizarre set of claims about how the relative position of the elbows show the image here is wrong or that babies look exactly like shrunken adults.
If you still believe either of these is a photoshop error, first hold your thumb inside your fist and observe how thoroughly this obscures the pinky finger when viewed at the angle in this pic. Once you've done that, compare the baby in the link to the one in the picture. Resize the baby from the link until the shoulder width is the same or similar to the picture here, then line up the shoulders. The linked baby has its nipples at almost exactly the top of the leaf.
I can understand occasionally posting a picture where the supposed disaster is just odd composition. I cannot understand doing this twice in three days or adamantly defending the claim of poor photoshopping when the image area in question is clearly real. I also believe the image should be retagged with a retraction in such cases.
The baby is so over-photoshopped that I can't tell what the body's position was supposed to be.
The head is at the wrong angle for the body and the drop-shadow instead of a neck is awful.
The front lettuce leaf comes with its own shadow over the left arm, along with other dark markings that shape the baby.
The fist doesn't bother me. Some very young babies keep their hands very tightly closed for a while.
Just really ugly.
I think that no company today actually pay a real pro for a well done job.
Just pick a random guy with photoshop and let him do something.
Pizza guy will be ok, he makes those nice posters for his punk band. And have a goatee. He must be creative.
It's sad.
While 'Marcus' proposes some valid excuses i do however believe his assessment to be flawed. shall we take a vote? or maybe with every alleged 'PSD' there should be an accompanying vote tally on wether it is or isn't?
There is a difference between the opinion of something simply being bad artwork, and it being a fully fledged 'disaster' or horrific amateur mistake.
As a side note i wonder how many comments here are from designers (who's work is regularly published) and how many are from students on the fly-by?
The baby's nipples aren't missing... it just was born with Double D breasts, and lives on a high-gravity planet where lettuce-limbed children are the norm.
The nipples probably WERE removed. Nipples beget complaint calls. I work in print, and we frequently ask our photoshop guys to "get out the nipple gun" and blast away such "offensive" things.
It's sad, I admit, but its the only pseudo-disaster I see here. The folks complaining about the head color and body color are just trying to find SOMETHING to complain about.
WV: consif - Trying to convince Thor's wife there's a comping error where none exists.
My cartoon character can do that!
wv: Promical: When a comedian goes pro.
capitalistliontamer,
I think the intent of the ad is to be a knockoff of Anne Geddes baby photos. Of course, they've failed that on so many levels here. But, it didn't stop them from printing it. Whatever that image specifically has to do with a baby monitoring system, not sure. So, the ad image + text tie-in additionally fails on many conceptual levels as well. But, that's all separate from the obviousness of it being an obvious photoshopped disaster.
Thank you, Marcus.
For the record, I did not say babies have the same basic proportions as adults or that they were shrunken adults. Also, I am not out of my mind, totally or otherwise. I just meant the nipples were not going to be on their sides or down at their waist. And yes, you did come off as a surly dickhead. Apology accepted.
=)
My girlfriend could do that, when she was much younger.
hmmmm
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Why is everybody talking about lettuce? Can't you see those are cabbage leaves? And this ad, compared to what we see regularly on PSD, is a masterpiece of good Photoshop
I vote normal baby picture.
What do the vegetables in the photo and baby alarms have in common?
That's right - zilch. Then why have such such an irrelevant item in there?
Unless the designer was thinking of the customer where he made the ad.
I think it's just a baby with saggy tits, and the nipples are hidden behind the lettuce.
Not sure about the fingers, though.
I have nothing to do with the publishing industry or art. I'm just an internet wanderer who thinks it's funny to look at photoshop disasters. Also, I find this site illuminating as to how much pictures are doctored. As a not-very-svelte woman, I'm amused to see that even gorgeous women have their pictures prettied-up.
But about this baby... at first glance, I found it unsettling and something wrong. After starting at it a bit, I couldn't figure out what was wrong and thought I was being oversensitive. Maybe it was the mouth, which is somehow not the right shape. And the eyes, which look like they've been brightened too much and had the natural laugh lines removed or smoothed out.
So I read the comments to see what other people thought. Then I went back and looked at the picture. Yeah, head too big and wrong color (I have two kids). Yeah, nipples gone. Yeah, baby's left shoulder cropped for unknown reason. Can't really tell about the right fist, as babies can do weird things with their hands until 2 or 3 years old. I think it has something to do with cartilege not finished forming.
Is it a photoshop disaster? What exactly constitutes a photoshop disaster? Certainly there are problems with the picture that even untrained me is unsettled by. If I were leafing through some women's mag in a waiting room and saw that ad, I'd grimace and leaf on by it. Because my initial reaction to the picture was that something was wrong with it. The baby's face was a tiny bit too close to uncanny valley.
am i the only one who notices that the baby's got a reverse farmer's tan going on?
Baby alarme vidéo couleur means "Baby shocked to see what colour it is (and its lack of nipples)".
If you look at the inside edge of the baby's right arm it looks to me like that the child and that cabbage leaf were probably never in the same room at the same time. I think the pinkie and nipples are both just out of view.
Ok. This one I can address because I speak French.
La vie couleur bebe means the colorful life of babies, or "babies in living color.
Baby alarme video couleur means color video baby monitor.
And Sans Tigex, maman serait dans la choux, means literally, Without Tigex, mother would be in the cabbages. (future tense btw)
The French have a saying mon petit chou. That means my little cabbage. Plural for chou is choux. This phrase is a term of endearment for the French.
But a more accurate explanation would be that Without this color video baby monitor, mother would be blissfully unaware of her baby's needs. It's French ad-speak.
I think the pinky is tucked behind the rest of the hand. The nipples are just hanging down. (Young babies are fat and sometimes have enlarged breasts due to mother's hormones.) Also the French do not have nipple-phobia like we do, so they wouldn't paint them out on purpose.
The head looks like it's been pasted on. And babies can't raise their eyebrows and they don't smile like that either.
Just my 25 cents.
Is it me, or are lettuce heads that much bigger and more carnivorous in other countries?
I don't see anything wrong here. The Cabbage Patch Kids doll simply came to life. Like in "The Velveteen Rabbit."
I always thought Cabbage Patch Kids were creepy, but this is ridiculous!
I think the only things wrong with the picture are the baby's missing left shoulder blade(Or are babys just like that?), and the jagged editing just above the babys right hand from the folded-in thumb - Follow the inside of the arm about 3.5cm's up - Looks like worms were eating the baby :( Or is that the top of the lettuce... (cabbage?) which would be rather odd in itself, since it clearly goes under the baby's arm...
For those that didn't understand what I was talking about - http://i29.tinypic.com/2po8gox.jpg
I think that the baby's head and arms are pasted to a baby's back - thus no nipples
The first thing I noticed was the altered smile. THAT is bad photoshopping.
really bad enough....
ook.. now I gotta say something. why can't it be a real picture where they haven't done photoshop? babys don't have flat stomaches and chest, that's just to realise. It's hard to see on this picture, but can't it be that the baby leans forward? And if they have paste in a new head, it's maybe because they thought the body was good but the baby didn't smile, it's hard to photograph babies! I think that they haven't photoshopped much..
i don't get it.
There's nothing wrong with the caption of this ad.
"Sans Tigex Maman serait dans les choux" means litteraly "Without Tigex Mum would be in the cabbages". This is a French idiom that means "Without Tigex Mum would be lost".
Moreover the baby was shot in cabbages because in French culture, boys are supposed to be born in cabbages while girls are supposed to be born in roses. This is what people tell their children when they're too young to understand sexual things.
And "la vie couleur bébé" means something like "life as seen through baby's glasses". It's kinda hard to translate into English because "la vie couleur [something]" is a typical French idiom that has no real equivalent.
It's baby Glenn Beck!
They should have taken a male baby, then they would not have felt the need to photoshop the baby girl´s nipples because it could be confused with child pornographie...
Hell what´s the deal..next time i have to check my sauerkraut for chopped up baby parts
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